For our children's health and well being.





SEPTEMBER 16, 2019

10 am – 2 pm

(Set up from 8 am)

Parliament House, Federation Mall

Grassed area opposite Parliament House entrance.

Called AAA Security Area

Come and join with the leaders of Australian vaccine-choice groups.

Join with them as they make a stand against ALL mandatory and coercive government vaccination policies.

Let’s continue to raise a tsunami of opposition against discrimination of unvaccinated children with the current No Jab No Pay and Play legislations.

A large crowd places pressure on politicians to look at the serious and urgent health issues these legislations have caused.

Medical freedom is a right for all Australians!


This rally has been cleared by Parliament House Security and it is now an official event!


Freedom of Choice-No Jab No Pay No Way


Dr Judy Wilyman PhD


Michael O’Neil IMOP PARTY

Allona Lahn


And many others…

Children and babies welcome!

Masks and placards available at the protest.

Permission has been given for masks and costumes be worn in this security area.

Event will be filmed.

No structures allowed e.g. no marquees or tables.

Keep it light.

Picnic blankets, eskies, prams, hand-held placards, fold-out camping chairs, card tables ok (small 1 m x 1 m approx), hand-held umbrellas if needed.


– No to injecting neurotoxins

– No to aborted fetal DNA fragments

– No to a liability-free product

– No to children’s brains and immune systems being damaged

– No to pharmaceutical profit over health

– No to government and media propaganda and lies

– No to discrimination AGAINST and EXCLUDING those who know better…

References for above

1. ‘Where are Australia’s vaccines made?’

Judy Wilyman PhD

Where are Australia’s Vaccines Made?

2. Vaccine ingredients – FDA Inserts for each product











Although vaccination is not compulsory in Australia, the current climate has made it increasingly difficult to object to this medical procedure. A procedure that actually has well established risks.

The Australian media, Liberal, Labor and Greens parties are all united in their war to vilify and discredit vaccine objectors and parents of vaccine-injured children. 

The Australian government has recently allocated $12 million towards an advertising campaign and research to address vaccine objectors.

Doctors and nurses are banned from speaking out about vaccine safety concerns. They can lose their registration/licence if they do. Parents who choose not to fully vaccinate feel they are treated like criminal, neglectful parents.

There is an urgent call worldwide to establish a much higher standard for vaccine testing, for both effectiveness and safety. We must demand double-blind controlled trials with only inert placebos for all vaccines, and this must be done BEFORE they are licenced and approved for sale. All testing needs to be done over years, not days.

Pharmaceutical drugs are subject to a higher, more rigorous level of testing than vaccines. This is because vaccines are classified as biologics, not drugs.

We need the best for our children! We also need to establish thorough, legal informed consent before ALL vaccination procedures.

So come and hear a fantastic line-up of speakers on this very important issue!



4 – 7 pm



▶Judy Wilyman PhD.

Citizens for Health Awareness.

Perth Senate candidate Involuntary Medication Objectors (Vaccination/Fluoride) Party (IMOP).


‘The corruption of the political process and vaccination science.’

Dr Wilyman’s 2015 thesis is on the University of Wollongong website:

‘A critical analysis of the Australian government’s rationale for its vaccination policy.’

▶Taylor Winterstein 

Informed Choice Advocate

‘How can we change the media narrative about parents who want vaccine choice?’ 

▶Michael O’Neill

Founder and NSW Senate candidate IMOP.

‘Medical apartheid in Australia.’

▶Allona Lahn

Healthier Communities.

IMOP Senate Candidate Queensland.


‘Ground zero and the future.’

▶Marelle Burnum Burnum

Health care professional.

Rights for Ethical Choice.

NSW senate candidate IMOP.

‘Building immunity safely.’

▶Tristan Wells 

‘How to deal with online trolls.’


Tickets $25

Pensioner/student $15

Family Package 2 Adults /2 Children $50 

Children under 5 FREE





Food and coffee available to buy.

There will be a half-hour break during the seminar.


◼The event audience will NOT be filmed at any time to ensure their privacy.

◼ No cameras or laptops. No filming inside the event, including on mobile phones.

◼ The event organisers reserve the right to refuse entry, attendance and ticket purchases at their discretion.

◼ Venue address will be texted/emailed 3 hours before the event commences.




Freedom of Choice-No Jab No Pay No Way



Judy Wilyman PhD

Where are Australia’s Vaccines Made?


FDA vaccine inserts



5 minute video

Australia has a political party against mandatory Vaccines and Fluoride

IMOP believes that the medical freedoms of Australians are at risk
like never before in history.

IMOP will protect the rights of Australians to refuse any medical
procedure or product, without being subjected to any form of coercion.



IMOP believes that your medical choices should not restrict you from
childcare access, government benefits or career choices.

The founder of IMOP, Michael O’Neill, says, “The introduction of the
No Jab No Pay/Play policies was a dramatic turn in the wrong direction
for our democratic country. It overrode our constitutional freedom and
was against the experiences many were having with vaccines. I looked
at the political parties and found none that were willing to take a
stand on this issue, so decided to be involved – as a voice for an
ignored and vilified section of our community.”

IMOP will establish urgent independent government inquiries into the
current Australian vaccination and fluoride programs. Importantly,
IMOP will investigate the heavy influence the pharmaceutical industry
has had on both our media and government in establishing the No Jab No
Pay/Play policies.

Through our representatives, including Dr Judy Wilyman PhD, we will
work to establish a completely independent government vaccine advisory
board to assess all vaccine science. It will be made up of members who
have no financial conflicts of interest with the vaccine industry.
Until now, politicians and media have been getting their information
from studies funded by the vaccine industry itself! ( See Dr Judy
Wilyman PhD, University of Wollongong.

View our 2019 Australian IMOP Campaign Launch:

° We will represent the people and not the large corporations.
° We will support sustainable green energy.
° We will stop the poisoning of our food, environment and planet
through chemicals, pesticides, insecticides, GMOs, glyphosate and 5G.
° We will support natural medicines, including medicinal cannabis.
° We will support natural health therapy choice and all natural
birthing choices.
° We will encompass people’s cultural heritage, traditional health
practices and respect religious beliefs.
° We will work to stop enforced institutionalisation and drugging.


Candidates for the Senate –
Dr Judy Wilyman PhD
Michelle Kinsella

Candidates for the Senate –
Michael O’Neill, Party Secretary
Marelle Burnum Burnum

Candidate for the Lower House –
Tom Barnett – Standing for the Richmond electorate

Candidates for the Senate –
Allona Lahn
Adam Rowe

Max (Dulumunmun) Harrison

Michael O’Neill



The war on the ‘anti-vaxx’ movement has been declared! Just the facts:

“The war on the ‘anti-vaxx’ movement has been declared!

Just the facts:

1. In January 2019, the WHO announced that the ‘anti-vaccination movement’ was one of the 10 biggest threats to health in the world in 2019. Since then, the war against the ‘anti-vaxx’ movement began to gain momentum.

2. Congressman Adam Schiff has sent an open letter to Mark Zuckerberg asking him to limit ‘anti-vaxx misinformation’ on Facebook and Instagram.

The American medical Association has sent an open letter to the Directors General of Amazon, Facebook, Google, Pinterest, Twitter and YouTube, asking them to come up with specific steps to limit anti-vaccination rhetoric.

The American Academy of Paediatrics has sent a similar letter to the Directors General of Google, Facebook and Pinterest. It appears that a certain Dr. Sue Desmond-Hellman sits on the Board of Facebook. See here under Board of Directors:

If you look at her profile on Facebook, you learn that she is also CEO of the Gates Foundation, among other positions:

3. Facebook will no longer show ‘anti-vaccination’ pages and groups in recommendations and search results, and are also limiting the display of ‘anti-vaccination’ materials in the news feed.

4. Instagram has blocked ‘anti-vaxx’ hashtags.

5. YouTube has demonetised ‘anti-vaxx’ channels.

6. Pinterest now removes all information against vaccinations, branding this ‘hate crime’, and blocks users who publish it.

7. Amazon is removing ‘anti-vaxx’ films, including Vaxxed, and live streaming of such content. Books with non-conventional methods of treatment for autism and vaccine damage are no longer available.

8. GoFundMe, a crowdfunding platform, has banned fundraising for ‘anti-vaccination’ purposes.

9. Etsy has banned the sale of ‘anti-vaccination’ products.

10. One of the counties in New York state has banned MMR-unvaccinated children from visiting public places for 30 days, just because 150 cases of measles have been rerecorded there since November 2018.

Parents, whose unvaccinated children show up in public places, will be fined $500 or sentenced to jail.”

– Anonymous author

Fran Kelly and Ariel Bogle discussing ‘anti-vaccination’ on Radio National.

Here is a transcript of Fran Kelly and Ariel Bogle discussing ‘anti-vaccination’ on Radio National, Thursday 7 March 2019:

Some Australians have taken it upon themselves to combat the messages of the anti-vaccination community on facebook, where it still thrives:

Fran Kelly: This week a Danish study refuted again the notion that the MMR vaccination, which protects against measles, mumps and rubella, has no association with an increased risk of autism. But misinformation about vaccines of all types continues to thrive on social media. Some Australians have taken it upon themselves to combat these messages of the anti-vaccination community on facebook. Ariel Bogle is a technology reporter with the ABC Science Unit, and our regular tech-head, hi Ariel.

Ariel Bogle: Morning Fran.

Fran Kelly: So you’ve spent some time talking to these volunteers who fight vaccine misinformation on facebook. Why do they do it, and is it working, does it work for them?

Ariel Bogle: Well I think these people in general feel a passion, they want to protect children and they find the messages of the anti-vaccination community anti-science and dangerous. But there are a few different tactics out there. I spoke to one guy associated with a page called Refutations to Anti-vaccination Memes. And memes are of course those little images you see all over the internet, with images and jokes. And so this page is just full of jokes about vaccination, sometimes on the verge, you know, on the verge of brutal about the anti-vaccination movement. And he told me the goal is really to make fun of the anti-vax leaders, who he says profits from these types of messages, and to marginalise them, make it unpopular and laughable to be anti-vaccination for children. Another group, is called the Stop the Anti, Stop the Australian Anti-vaccination Network, is more around a group of doctors trying to lobby against allowing some of these key anti-vaccination groups to thrive in Australia. They lobby against when anti-vax leaders come and try to tour Australia, these types of actions.

Fran Kelly: Let’s hear from one of the more infamous anti-vaxxers, Sherri Tenpenny, her videos get millions of views on facebook.

Sherri Tenpenny: So it’s aluminium and chemicals in all these vaccines, antigens, all these viruses and bacteria, stray viruses that are known to cause cancer, you know all kinds of gobbledygook inside of these things. And I think that most parents, and even most physicians, who’ve never bothered to read a package insert in their life, think that all that is in there is a little bit of sterile water, a little bit of attenuated or killed virus, that’s it, how can it hurt you?

Fran Kelly: That’s anti-vaxxer Sherri Tenpenny on facebook. And that’s the sort of thing that gets people upset, and many experts point to facebook and YouTube as key culprits in the spread of this health misinformation. Are these platforms doing anything about this, do they see they have a role in this?

Ariel Bogle: Well of course fears around vaccination are not new to the world, but the internet has seemed to inflame them, those algorithms on YouTube and facebook that, you know, addicted to controversy, addicted to things where people get upset and have fears, they really thrive off that. And they are taking action to an extent. But I found on facebook, even last week, that facebook was still accepting paid ads from some of the key anti-vaccination groups in Australia. Facebook says they know they need to do more, they have more work to do, and that they plan to announce a new actions. But other platforms are taking action. So YouTube for example has removed advertising from anti-vaccination pages so they can’t make money from advertising on some of those popular videos. And Pinterest interestingly, Pinterest is a social media network where you post, you know, images you like and recipes and things like that, they have cracked down on search around vaccination. So if you go onto Pinterest and search for vaccination or some other key terms there, they won’t return results for good or ill, and that’s their tactic.

Fran Kelly: Ok. What’s the best way to push back against these fears of vaccination?

Ariel Bogle: When you talk to doctors, and I did for my story today, it’s in person. These types of messages really are best countered in direct personal relationships between nurses and doctors and parents, because it’s not invalid to have questions and fears, but those fears can be addressed. And while there are plenty of people, volunteers on facebook, doing the work that maybe facebook should be doing to counter these messages there, I think that in some cases they maybe just talking to the already convinced, talking to people in their own bubble. And sometimes those interactions with anti-vaxxers can be antagonistic. And that might just feed into the persecution complex, or the conspiracy theory complex of these people.

Fran Kelly: As you say, all those mocking memes.

ABC Radio vaccine interview with Robert Booy fails to disclose pharmaceutical conflicts of interest

Emails from Elizabeth Hart of Over Vaccination to Richard Glover regarding an interview on ABC radio which was broadcast on Monday 4 March 2019.

(6 March 2019) Mr Glover, re your recent interview with Robert Booy re vaccination.

You did not disclose Robert Booy’s conflicts of interest, e.g. that he is Chairman of the industry-funded Immunisation Coalition which is funded by vaccine manufacturers GlaxoSmithKline, Pfizer, Sanofi Pasteur and Seqirus.

Please note vaccination policy is a complicated area, it’s not just about measles vaccination. The taxpayer-funded ABC is failing to provide critical analysis of vaccination policy and government-mandated vaccination. There is much that the community is being kept in the dark on this matter, e.g. the conflicts of interest that surround vaccination policy. For some information on this matter see below the referenced transcript of my interview on radio station 2ser which also includes reference to Robert Booy. It’s about time the ABC lifted its game and investigated the lucrative and burgeoning taxpayer-funded vaccination schedule.

(8 March 2019) Mr Glover, further to my previous email relevant to the politics of vaccination…

The ABC and other media reports that “a Danish study refuted once again the notion that the MMR vaccination, which protects against measles, mumps and rubella, has no association with an increased risk of autism”.

As per usual, commentary and analysis on this subject was facile, e.g. the discussion between the ABC’s Fran Kelly and Ariel Bogle:

Given your own strong stance on vaccination policy Mr Glover, and your privileged position of being able to influence public discussion, perhaps you might be open-minded and interested enough to read some criticism of the Danish Study?

Comments are being published on the paper’s webpage (Click on the ‘comments’ section in the column on the left-hand side):

Click here to access a copy of the comments posted so far on this Danish Study. I suggest it is important to keep an open mind on this matter Mr Glover, and allow free discussion, not censorship as campaigned for my coercive vaccination lobby groups such as SAVN and Friends of Science in Medicine…

Elizabeth Hart

Please see below a transcript of the recent radio interview relevant to the current measles scares going on around the world, and also possibly timed to coincide with the latest publication purporting to debunk the MMR / autism link:

This interview was broadcast on Monday 4 March 2019, and audio can be accessed via this webpage, starting at around 54.40:

And can be heard on YouTube here

See transcript below:

Richard Glover: G’day, Richard Glover with you on ABC Radio Sydney. Today, how the world lost its way on vaccination. And are people right to say Australia might have the answers? We’ll take an expert view on that first up…

Resume at 54.40

Richard Glover: Well, you’ve got to hand it to the human race, we seem to have the ability to grab defeat from the jaws of victory. An example, our attitude to vaccines. What a gift when they were developed. With their help, death from infectious diseases fell all over the world. Some diseases even disappeared entirely. Witness that great Wikipedia entry on smallpox, which begins “Smallpox was a disease which…” etc, etc, etc. Now though, thanks partly to the rise of anti-vaccination movements, there’s an alarming global surge of diseases such as measles. Just today, the international body UNICEF, noted a boom in measles in countries around the world. In Ukraine 30,000 cases. In the Philippines,13,000. Another 10,000 in Brazil, which used to have no cases at all. Even in the United States, a congressional subcommittee has met to discuss measle outbreaks in New York, Texas, Illinois and Washington State, where the governor has recently declared a state of emergency. This for a disease believed to have been eliminated in the US at the turn of the millenium. Well what to do? Some foreign observers are citing Australia as an example of a country that is winning the battle through changes in public policy. Just yesterday, an article in The Times, London, cited Australia’s vaccination requirements for children enrolling in school and the ability to withhold family benefits as crucial bits of public policy. So what is the Australian model, has it really made a difference, and could it be an inspiration to others? Well, Professor Robert Booy is from the National Centre for Immunisation Research & Surveillance, and joins us here in the studio. Good afternoon.

Robert Booy: Good afternoon Richard.

Richard Glover: These figures must be so alarming to a person like you?

Robert Booy: Well, I’ve come to expect them. I’ve been in the field for decades. And I was there 20 years ago when we announced elimination of measles from the US. I was there five years ago when we announced elimination of measles from Australia. So these are things that ah we have to fight against. Measles is so contagious. You have to have 19 out of 20 people to be immune to be sure of stopping it in its tracks, stopping it from transmitting. So it’s going to come back, but in little ways. You know, there used to be there were thousands and thousands every year or two. Now it’s, you know the US is very upset about having a hundred cases, so it’s, it’s on the scale of things, much less, but it is something that’s really hard to totally nail down.

Richard Glover: Ok. Some listeners might remember, older listeners, listeners of my age, of having measles when they were growing up, you know maybe no big deal. But of course in some cases there are complications and there are deaths. I mentioned the Philippines, well they’ve had 203 deaths in the last year.

Robert BooyWithout a doubt measles can kill. About 1 in a thousand. That’s in Europe as well. So it’s not just in poorer countries that have not as good medical care, it’s all over the world, one in a thousand. And a similar number get left with very severe encephalitic brain damage. Whether that’s acutely, or it occurs some years later. You can really get bad damage from measles. Not only kill you, it can give you pneumonia, and give you ear infections. Most people recover ok though.

Richard Glover: We’ve got some countries in which it was virtually eliminated, and now it’s back. Is this mainly due to anti-vaccination movements?

Robert Booy: It think that’s a contributor, but not the main one. Travellers from Australia have been to Asia, have been to the US, to Europe, and they’ve brought it back with them. It’s actually people who aren’t immunised. If you’re a teenager or an adult, and you’re travelling, you’ve got to make sure you’ve had two doses of vaccine, against MMR, against measles, mumps, rubella, and that provides very strong protection, you won’t catch it overseas, and you won’t bring it back, you won’t spread it in your community. So we have the biggest risk, I believe, from travellers, but to a lesser extent, those who deny vaccination, they’re hesitant, they’re worried, they think it’s going to damage them in some way, they do contribute. You mentioned earlier that we’ve got an approach in Australia, No Jab, No Pay / No Jab, No Play, there’s a governmental changes that occurred at both the state and the national level. Well we’ve only had a 1.4 percent increase in vaccine uptake, so we’ve gone from something like 93 to 94 and a half. So it’s been an improvement, but there’s a lot of other things that are going on, I’d happily describe them to you.

Richard Glover: Ok. So I mean, I ask that partly because there are all these overseas commentators who are looking to us. You’d say the Australian stuff has worked but don’t think it’s some sort of panacea?

Robert BooyNo it’s not a panacea, because there’s a bunch of other really good things that have been happening. A colleague of mine at the University of Sydney, Julie Leask, is working with the WHO around this whole question of hesitancy. How we can reassure parents, and give them the information they need to stop them from worrying, and allow their children to be vaccinated.

Richard Glover: Ok, but that must be frustrating for doctors, because in a way it all comes down to this one article in The Lancet magazine, 1998, I think it was. Absolutely disproved now, The Lancet itself has withdrawn it. And yet that’s what caused the panic.

Robert BooyIt’s crazy. I was there then in London and I was one of the people who wrote immediately to The Lancet to say this is rubbish research. And yet it took a decade to get rid of.Look, things like that, people grab onto. They want to believe it. We have to listen to them, we have to understand them. And we have to take approaches that are more than just giving the facts.

Richard Glover: Ok, I suppose you’re saying we should understand that parental anxiety is a pretty important, pretty central part of being a parent isn’t it?

Robert Booy: You bet.

Richard Glover: And if you put an anxious idea into people’s head, you know, you do need to work at it to remove it. All the same, you know this is often a middle-class thing, it’s a thing that for instance, these north coast of New South Wales, socially progressive communities, seem to have particularly embraced it. These are communities where in most of their behaviour, they’re pro-science, they’re people who believe in global warming, and they’re mostly in their behaviour mainly very pro-community too, they believe in, not in some sort of idea of individualism, but of community action. And yet on this policy, they seem to behave entirely the opposite way on both those things!

Robert Booy: Yeah, it’s perplexing. I had the opportunity to go to Byron Bay ten years ago to meet with parents, to speak one on one with parents for an hour. Most of the ones I spoke to were very happy after they’d had it all explained to…And then they become pro-immunisation and they become the zealots and the evangelists for immunisation. So you can change things. There are a small proportion, maybe one or two percent, where you just can’t convince them, and you’re better off not trying, because you’ll just waste each other’s time.

Richard Glover: Ok. So, you know, proper, reasoned, kindly discussion is important. But the No Play, or No Pay, No Jab, No Play, No Jab, No Pay, these are important too aren’t they?

Robert BooyLook, they’ve made a contribution, but the only measurement we have is that it’s gone up by about 1.4 percent overall.

Richard Glover: That’s not bad though is it?

Robert Booy: It’s not bad…

Richard Glover: …You explain the science to me a bit, I keep on hearing these figures of 94 percent, 95 percent, something like that, that gets you herd immunity. So the difference between 90 and 95 might be everything?

Robert Booy: Well, there isn’t a magic tip over point. For every community it’s slightly different. And to imagine that, if we could only go from 94 to 95 would make a massive difference, is not a truism, it’s not correct. Actually, we’re already getting good herd immunity at 90, 91, 92, it’s just improving each time. And you know you might be able to argue there’s a tipping point. But then new babies are born who aren’t immune and then it changes immediately.

Richard GloverI think one of the attractions of the Australian policy and I get this through overseas eyes, is that in places like England where they’ve got really no public policy controls at all, they’re either looking at two things. One, is this Australian model, whereby you use things like school rules and payment of family tax benefit and that sort of thing to try to encourage people. The other model is the European model, a third of the countries in Europe apparently, it’s mandatory, so absolutely hardline. You’ve got to do it.

Robert BooyYeah, mandatory approaches have been tried on and off for a hundred and fifty or more years, and it does create opposition. So it’s not always the panacea you’re looking for, it can actually be problematic. I worked in the UK for fifteen years, I ran a study which vaccinated 20,000 children in the Oxford community, we got 95% uptake, with an unlicensed vaccine.Why? Because the nurse and I went round, listened to people, educated them, and this was in the 90s, so maybe things have changed. But just simple information, providing information that is credible. And, you know, you’re on call 24 hours a day, and so if there’s a concern, you answer the concern. And we got a great outcome.

Richard Glover: That is the best way you say. I mean, having said that, are you an opponent of the No Play, No Pay? You sound as if you’re kind of unsure about it?

Robert BooyYeah, I’m a bit on the fence. I’ve always felt that caring about people and the information you provide was the key, and then the No Pay, No Play may add a little bit.

Richard Glover: Yeah, alright. But at a time when places like the Ukraine, Philippines, Brazil, you just wish them, whatever method they’re going to use, they’ve got to find some way of providing it. Because in some countries the problem is actually provision rather than anti-vaxxers, it must be said. Both providing it, and somehow, whether through laws, or whether through that sort of sweet-talking you’re talking about, somehow confronting this movement.

Robert Booy: Yeah,you’ve hit the nail on the head actually about access, and about providing it. The biggest change we’ve been able to make is improving access. Having clinics late in the day, on the weekend. So, there’s been the bigger gap, that’s been, you know, three percent, whereas, you know, one and half percent might be the people who are dead-set vaccine anti.

Richard Glover: Ok. So if they’re looking at the Australian model so-called, yes, look at the changes to Family Tax Benefit A and all of that, but also look at the Australian model being about provision, access and…

Robert Booy: Yep, you bet…

Richard Glover: …and actual, you know, debate, discussion, information.

Robert Booy: Yeah, and you know some really smart minds in social science are in Australia leading the way in working out how to provide support first of all to health professionals, and then to parents. (My emphasis.)

Richard GloverOk. Get that stick out, but get the carrot out whilst you’re at it. Professor Robert Booy, thank you very much for coming in and talking to us.

Robert Booy: You’re very welcome.

Richard GloverProfessor Robert Booy is from the National Centre for Immunisation Research & Surveillance at the University of Sydney. Yeah, UNICEF among others, get very worried about this upsurge in measles around the world. You’re listening to ABC Radio Sydney.

Finishes around 1.05.55

MMR and autism study is fundamentally flawed

Vinu Arumugham

 Independent Researcher

 March 6, 2019

MMR and autism study is fundamentally flawed

Vaccines are not created equal

The purpose of publishing this study is to use the results worldwide. The assumption is that the MMR vaccine covered in the study is representative of vaccines used worldwide. But that assumption is false. There are no specifications that control the thousands of antigens in the vaccine from the chicken embryo cell culture used to grow the viruses or excipients such as gelatin (non-target antigens (NTA)).

We have seen repeatedly that adverse events can be caused by NTA.

Gelatin or egg protein containing vaccines caused the development of allergy to those antigens. (1)⁠ The latest example is Pandemrix vaccine induced narcolepsy. Pandemrix manufactured in Europe contained larger amounts of H1N1 nucleoproteins (an NTA) and resulted in way more cases of narcolepsy, compared to Arepanrix manufactured in Canada (2)⁠.

Egg protein amounts in vaccines vary by orders of magnitude, among vendors, batches and over time. (1)⁠

Bovine casein content varied 2-fold in just eight vaccine samples.

Engerix vaccine contains 500% of the yeast proteins as the Recombivax vaccine.⁠

Due to such variation among vaccines, the study results are rendered inapplicable and the purpose of the study is defeated.

⁠Autism mechanisms

There have been many developments in autism research in the last two decades that the authors have ignored. Antibodies directed against folate receptor alpha, GAD65, glutamate receptors and other antigens, in the child or the mother, can cause autism⁠. Multiple vaccines can induce these antibodies in the child or the mother (3)⁠.

Cow’s milk protein containing vaccines (DTaP) cause the vast majority (75%) of autism cases (4)⁠. A subset of autism can be caused by GAD65 antibodies that are induced by GAD65 proteins in the MMR vaccines. GAD65 can be of chick (cell culture) or animal (gelatin) origin. Maternal antibodies can affect the fetal brain (3)⁠. Epidemiological studies cannot account for these variables.

Epidemiological studies

The US IOM committee in their 2011 report (5)⁠ wrote:

“The committee concluded the evidence convincingly supports 14 spe-cific vaccine–adverse event relationships. In all but one of these relation-ships, the conclusion was based on strong mechanistic evidence with the epidemiologic evidence rated as either limited confidence or insufficient.”

So in an overwhelming 93% of cases, mechanistic studies provided convincing evidence and epidemiological studies failed.

This study is therefore flawed, misleads and must be retracted.


1. Arumugham V. Evidence that Food Proteins in Vaccines Cause the Development of Food Allergies and Its Implications for Vaccine Policy. J Dev Drugs. OMICS International; 2015 Oct;04(04):1–3.

2. Godlee F. A tale of two vaccines. BMJ. 2018 Oct 4;363:k4152.

3. Arumugham V. Vaccines and Biologics injury table based on mechanistic evidence – Mar 2019 [Internet]. 2019. Available from:

4. Arumugham V, Trushin M V. Autism pathogenesis: Piecing it all together, from end to beginning …. J Pharm Sci Res. 2018;10(11):2787–9.

5. Clayton EW, Rusch E, Ford A, Stratton K. Adverse Effects of Vaccines:: Evidence and Causality. National Academies Press; 2012. 

Christopher Exley

 Professor Keele University

 March 7, 2019

Susceptible Groups

Our recent research demonstrating extremely high levels of aluminium in brain tissue in autism combined with the unique observation of the association of aluminium with immune cells and microglia in brain tissue highlights a possible role for aluminium in autism. Did the authors include prior exposure to aluminium as a factor determining possible susceptible groups? For example, vaccination including an aluminium adjuvant would constitute exposure to aluminium and especially in infants. So when different groups have been compared did you take into account their previous exposure to aluminium, for example in vaccinations that include an aluminium adjuvant. One reason to ask this would be the very real possibility that the MMR vaccine, which does not include an aluminium adjuvant, might catalyse the uptake into brain tissue of aluminium from the periphery in immune cells such as lymphocytes et c.. I would be interested to hear the authors’ comments on this, thank you.

Jeffrey A. Hirschfield, MD CPI

 Score Physician Alliance

 March 7, 2019

Study conclusions unsupported.

This retrospective Danish database registry and a lack of formal chart review produces poor quality data. The lack of a comprehensive multiaxial assessment approach using CPT10 and a failure to perform chart reviews are a prerequisite to claims made by the authors. I am concerned about the authors’ potential conflicts of interest. I would request that an independent panel review this study for its inclusion into a scientific database as this does not meet the gold standard necessary for inclusion.

Censored? Interview on Policy and Politics Around Vaccinations with Elizabeth Hart – Radio 2ser


BREAKING NEWS: Elizabeth Hart’s interview, ‘The Policy and Politics Around Vaccinations,’ is removed from the community radio station 2ser website!

Elizabeth Hart is an independent vaccine researcher and believes Australians are being overvaccinated and that there are financial conflicts of interest at stake when deciding vaccine policy. 

On 21 February, 2019, she conducted a live radio interview on Sydney radio station 2ser, The Daily, with Victor Petrovic, about politics around vaccinations. 

A podcast of the interview was posted on the 2ser website and was later taken down.

Ms Hart says, ‘It was crucial to have this interview/podcast about a controversial subject on a mainstream media website, particularly as 2ser is aligned with Macquarie University and the University of Technology, Sydney and it’s a bitter blow that this has now been taken down.” 

The interview can be listened to here.

The interview with Elizabeth Hart is about, ‘The Policy and Politics Around Vaccinations.’

Various reasons have been given to Ms Hart for the removal of her interview, such as, technical issues, and that the subject should have been discussed in a different timeslot, with more indepth analysis, etc, but the upshot is that the podcast is no longer available on the 2ser website. In the end, it is simply censorship of a discussion that the public has an urgent right to be involved in.

See below for the transcript of the interview, which has been well referenced, and decide for yourself if this interview should have been censored by a community radio station.

Elizabeth Hart asks ‘When will other mainstream media properly cover this controversial subject?’

Please voice your support to the station and request that the interview be put back up again. This is vital to stop censorship!

2ser general inquiries:
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Here is the transcript of the interview with Elizabeth Hart, independent vaccine researcher, ‘Policy and Politics Around Vaccinations’
Radio 2ser – The Daily, with Victor Petrovic, 21 February 2019

Policy and Politics Around Vaccinations

Transcript of an interview with Elizabeth Hart, independent vaccine researcher

Radio 2ser – The Daily, with Victor Petrovic, 21 February 2019

Victor Petrovic: Well there’s rarely a time that vaccination is not a hot topic. Only last week the wife of an NRL footballer made national headlines after posting on Instagram that the couple didn’t plan on vaccinating their children[1], with a separate ABC article[2] suggesting we should share our own stories of positive experiences with vaccines, and discuss our experience with the diseases they prevent, with a friend, relative, acquaintance or someone expressing hesitancy. Our next guest, an independent vaccine researcher, Elizabeth Hart, says the transparency around conflicts of interest, as well as access to accurate, unbiased scientific information, is what’s need for people to make their own decisions, and Elizabeth joins us now. Elizabeth, good morning.

Elizabeth Hart: Hello Victor.

Victor Petrovic: So you point to a change in the vaccination schedule over the past few decades in terms of an increase in dosages…

Elizabeth Hart: That’s right.

Victor Petrovic: What do you say around that point?

Elizabeth Hart: Well I understand around 1960 for example, there were about 13 doses of vaccines[3], and now we’re heading towards 50 doses[4], and that’s not including the annual flu vaccinations that we’re all pressed to have as well. So children, young children, are being pressed to have up to 50 doses of vaccines, and my position is I’m questioning the over-use of vaccine products. So my position is not ‘anti-vaccination’, I’m saying that we’ve got a lot of products on the schedule now, and we need to have transparency and accountability for how these have gotten onto the schedule. And I’ve been researching this subject over the past few years, I started investigating pet vaccination after my dog became very ill after vaccination and was put down, and discovered that over-use of vaccine products in pet vaccination is out of sight[5], and we got a lot of coverage in the media, and CHOICE magazine took it up[6], and it was acknowledged that this is a problem. And something that came through very clearly when investigating pet vaccination was that specialists in that area were warning that we have to decrease vaccination of pets, because of the risk of adverse reaction[7]. And I became very interested to see that human vaccination is going through the roof, and why aren’t we worried about that?

Victor Petrovic: Yeah, but…a lot of people say that you know, obviously, there has been an increase, that is correct, but over that time science and medical research has discovered, you know, or created more and more vaccines that can be useful to us. Is looking at just the number of vaccines, is that relevant to how many vaccines we might need, based on the current science?

Elizabeth Hart: I think so, because there are so many products now, we have to see who’s recommending these vaccines? And we’re finding that a lot of the ‘science’ is funded by industry. This is not, we haven’t got infectious diseases experts in ivory towers talking about this sort of information, it’s actually industry producing this data. And the people who are on the committees making recommendations about what will go on the schedule, on the taxpayer-funded schedule, are often involved with these actual vaccine trials, this is a serious conflict of interest. And there’s been a reluctance to be transparent about this. I’ve been working on this now for the past 10 years, and it has been so difficult to try and get transparency, they want to keep this under wraps. The whole vaccination bureaucracy is awash with conflicts of interest. And a very serious matter is the No Jab, No Pay law was put in, was enacted in response to a campaign waged by the Murdoch media[8]. The Murdoch media has been doing this over a number of years, they were the ones who came out with the No Jab, No Play campaign, and the government responded to this, and has now enacted this law[9]. But what the public doesn’t realise is that the Murdoch media, particularly News Corp, is funding an organisation called the Murdoch Children’s Research Institute[10], which is involved in vaccine development[11]. Now I think you can understand, that is a major conflict of interest.

Victor Petrovic: Sure, but I think a lot of people within the public do support that policy because they believe that, you know, vaccines are very necessary and people should use them. Like I understand what you’re saying about a possible conflict of interest, but that is quite a popular policy around the public, the No Jab…

Elizabeth Hart: Yes, I understand that, I understand that the population is generally very pro-vaccine because they are getting a lot of messages from ‘authority’ – from academics, from doctors, from the vaccination bureaucracy, from politicians. There’s an onslaught of messages from ‘authority’. But the public doesn’t realise that there are problems emerging with vaccine products. Now I understand entirely, the idea of vaccination sounds fantastic, have a little bit of a disease, have a little bit of a bacteria, and then you’re immune for life, who would argue against that, it sounds like a great idea. But there are problems emerging, and these are being covered up[12]. The vaccines don’t only include viruses and bacteria, they also include other ingredients like adjuvants, and I’m particularly concerned about aluminium adjuvants[13]. There’s been an explosion of aluminium-adjuvanted vaccines in the last few years, and there are people within academia warning about the possible dangers of this. The science, the research, isn’t being done in this area, because so much research is funded by industry, and they’re not going to fund this type of research. So there’s a lot of ‘undone science’. So again, I understand, and of course the population would be behind vaccination generally, but we have to look further into this, this is not a simple matter, we have to dig further. And what we’re finding now is that citizens like myself are being labelled ‘anti-vax’. You know, I’m asking questions, this is taxpayer-funded policy, and I’m entitled to ask questions.

Victor Petrovic: Just to go to that, you’re not ‘anti-vaccination’, is that correct?

Elizabeth Hart: No, as I’ve explained, my position is looking at the over-use of vaccine products. And you can compare this to the over-use of antibiotics, the over-use of of opioids, the over-use of anti-depressants. It’s recognised now that a lot of medical products are over-used. We have to realise that these are products, these are lucrative products, the pharmaceutical industry is making money on these products. And vaccines up to now have been held up on a pedestal, they’ve, you know, been given this sort of blessed status. But these are products too. And in recent years the pharmaceutical industry has realised that this is a place where they can really build huge markets[14]. And something that has really influenced this I understand, is in the United States, in the mid-80s, the United States gave protection from liability to vaccine manufacturers[15]. Now I think this has had a ripple effect around the world. You know, we can ask the question, if vaccines are so safe, why are they being given protection from liability? You know, they should stand on their own, without this protection. So we have to look into this, this is a lot more complicated and there are a lot of vested interests trying to suppress discussion on this matter.

Victor Petrovic: Vaccines have been very successful in society though, and I guess maybe that’s a reason why a lot of people want to protect them.

Elizabeth Hart: Well that’s what people say, but I, I think we’re not really getting a proper picture on the possible adverse events after vaccination[16]. And particularly now, in the current climate, that we’re in, this hostile climate, I don’t feel that we can trust doctors to properly recognise and acknowledge and report adverse events after vaccination. And the proper term is actually ‘adverse events’, not adverse reactions, because we don’t know, you know, if something happens maybe a day, a week, or a month, or even a year after the vaccination, we don’t know that that might not be tied to the vaccination. And so anything that happens should be reported as an adverse event, and that’s the only way that we would see patterns developing if there could be problems with vaccines. And again, I’m worried about these aluminium-adjuvanted vaccines. There are so many vaccines now with that aluminium adjuvant in. There’s also a problem with re-vaccination, we’re seeing this with pertussis vaccines, they are now being given to children, six doses, and we have to ask, why six doses? And this is aluminium-adjuvanted vaccines.

Victor Petrovic: Ok. And you’re calling for some sort of government inquiry into vaccinations, is that correct?

Elizabeth Hart: I would like a complete review of the schedule because it is awash with conflicts of interest. The people who are responsible for recommending those vaccines that are on the schedule, many of them have had associations with pharmaceutical companies[17], there has not been transparency, and the public is not aware of this. And you can understand, as I’ve explained, the Murdoch media, we expect the media to shine a light in dark places, but in this instance, the media is actually part of the whole scandal. And as you know, the Murdoch media dominates in Australia, and I’m so fortunate that you, a community radio station, has given me the opportunity to speak.

Victor Petrovic: And what are some examples of those conflicts of interest?

Elizabeth Hart: Well, as I’ve explained…there are people making these recommendations, and I’m talking about the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation[18]. Members of that committee have also worked on vaccine clinical trials[19]. They also get funding from pharmaceutical companies to attend conferences. So these are conflicts of interest. And there has been reluctance to make this transparent, and I know this because I wrote to Nicola Roxon, back in I think it was 2011/2012, you know Labor…anyway, I wrote to her and wanting clarification on this. And it took a long time for it to come out, who were the members of these groups[20]. And we’ve got academics like Robert Booy, who is the Chair of the Immunisation Coalition[21] – that is funded by Pharma, it’s funded by Glaxo, and Pfizer and Sanofi[22]. And associations, the Australian Medical Association, and other associations, are associated with this Immunisation Coalition[23], and actually the President of the Australian Medical Association, Tony Bartone, is a member of the Immunisation Coalition[24]. And the only reason why we have transparency on who are the members of that organisation is because I demanded that we have transparency on that, and that’s why we have the list of names up there now[25]….This whole thing, it’s up to citizens to do this work ourselves because the media has just been, the taxpayer-funded ABC and SBS, have been atrocious in this regard.

Victor Petrovic: Ok. Well Elizabeth, thank you so much for your time this morning.

Elizabeth Hart: Thank you very much Victor.

Victor Petrovic: That was Elizabeth Hart, an independent vaccination researcher, speaking about the importance of free and open debate about vaccines, and supposed conflicts of interest in this vaccine space in terms of medical professionals, and the very successful vaccines we’ve had in our society to date.

For more detail on the matters raised by Elizabeth Hart, see her video presentation: Big Pharma’s hijacking of ‘over’-vaccination policy – Conflicts of interest and lack of transparency and accountability:

A transcript of her video presentation is accessible via this link:

References provided by Elizabeth Hart for points made in interview with Victor Petrovic:

1. UPDATE: Footy star’s wife defends her anti-vax views in NEW Instagram post. Practical Parenting, 13 February 2019:

2. You’re not going to convince an anti-vaxxer by berating them on Facebook. ABC News/The Conversation, updated 20 February 2019:

3. See Significant events in polio vaccination practice in Australia: and Significant events in diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis vaccination practice in Australia:

4. Breaking down individual doses on the National Immunisation Program Schedule, i.e. including multi-component vaccine products:

5. My experience in investigating over-vaccination of pets is recorded on my website, including links to extensive correspondence with the Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines Authority, Australian Veterinary Association and the World Small Animal Veterinary Association, and others, see Over-vaccination of pets an unethical practice:

6. A dog of an issue. Over-vaccinating your pet could be harmful to their health as well as costing you money unnecessarily. CHOICE, September 2010.

7. “…A second major concept regarding vaccination of dogs and cats has been the recognition that we should aim to reduce the ‘vaccine load’ on individual animals in order to minimize the potential for adverse reactions to vaccine products and reduce the time and financial burden on clients and veterinarians of unjustified veterinary medical procedures…” Guidelines for the Vaccination of Dogs and Cats, compiled by the Vaccination Guidelines Group (VGG) of the World Small Animal Veterinary Association (WSAVA) Journal of Small Animal Practice. Vol. 57, January 2016. (Note there are still problems with these guidelines, which are now sponsored by vaccine manufacturer MSD Animal Health, which is a division of Merck & Co, a well-known pharmaceutical company and vaccine manufacturer, e.g. manufacturer of MMR and Gardasil vaccine products.)

8. For example, a Daily Telegraph article titled Prime Minister Tony Abbott announces ‘no jab, no play and no pay’ policy for child vaccination, 12 April 2015, notes “The Sunday Telegraph has run an important community health awareness campaign, No Jab, No Play.

9. No Jab, No Pay law enacted from 1 January 2016: ‘No Jab No Pay’ and other immunisation measures. Budget Review 2015-16 Index. Michael Klapdor and Alex Grove:

10. The Corporate Partners webpage of the Murdoch Children’s Research Institute notes that “News Corp Australia has supported Murdoch Children’s in many ways for more than a decade…” Foxtel has also “generously supported Murdoch Children’s Research Institute for 10 years”: The original Murdoch Institute was established in 1986, with the support of Dame Elisabeth Murdoch, her family and others: On 2 February 2017, The Australian published an article about Rupert Murdoch praising the institute “his mother helped establish”. (Rupert Murdoch hails best investment, our kids.)

11. The Vaccine and Immunisation Research Group (VIRGo) of the Murdoch Children’s Research Institute is involved with vaccine projects and funding from GSK Biologicals, Sanofi Pasteur and Novartis Vaccines:

12. For example, problems with the effectiveness of the pertussis/whooping cough vaccines, and measles, mumps and rubella vaccines, e.g. waning maternally derived antibodies from measles vaccinated mothers, waning vaccine-induced immunity re measles and mumps. These are matters I am investigating from a layperson’s/citizen’s perspective.

13. A poorly evidenced systematic review on aluminium and vaccine (DTP) safety is being cited to justify the safety of aluminium-adjuvanted vaccine products. I am challenging the validity of this review, and forwarding correspondence on the matter, see for example letters and emails linked to on my website:

14. According to international market reports, the global vaccine market is predicted to rise from US$5.7 billion in 2002, to more than US$77.5 billion in 2024, a more than 13 fold increase. See 20 Top-selling Vaccines – H1 2012. FiercePharma, 25 September 2012, and Vaccine market size to reach (US)$77.5 billion by 2024 / CAGR: 10.3%. Grand View Research, March 2018.

15.The US National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program effectively provides vaccine manufacturers with protection from liability for vaccine products, this is a controversial area:

16. Adverse events after vaccination are likely to be under-reported. The Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) acknowledges: “Adverse event reports from consumers and health professionals to the TGA are voluntary, so there is under-reporting by the groups of adverse events related to therapeutic goods in Australia. This is the same around the world.”

17. See ATAGI conflict of interest disclosures:

18. Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI):

19. See ATAGI conflict of interest disclosures:

20. For further background, see my webpage summarising my letter to then Prime Minister Tony Abbott re vaccination policy in Australia:

21. Robert Booy is the Chairman of the pharma-funded Immunisation Coalition: Robert Booy is associated with the National Centre for Immunisation Research & Surveillance (NCIRS), and is involved in the promotion of vaccine products, e.g. the GlaxoSmithKline Bexsero meningococcal B vaccine product for the rare disease meningococcal B, see my presentation Big Pharma’s hijacking of ‘over’-vaccination policy mentioned above for more background.

22. The Immunisation Coalition is funded by vaccine manufacturers such as GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) Australia, Pfizer, Sanofi Pasteur, and Seqirus Australia:

23. Medical organisations are associated with the pharma-funded Immunisation Coalition, e.g. the Australian Medical Association, Royal Australian College of General Practitioners, National GP Disease Surveillance Network, Australian College for Infection Prevention & Control, Australian College of Nursing, Australian Nursing & Midwifery Federation, Australian Primary Health Care Nurses Association, Australian College of Nurse Practitioners, The Pharmacy Guild of Australia, Pharmaceutical Society of Australia, etc:

24. Membership:

25. In 2016 I contacted Kim Sampson, Chief Executive Officer of the Influenza Specialist Group (now the Immunisation Coalition), requesting transparency for members of the organisation, i.e. names of members and membership of committees. After further correspondence, members names were finally made public on the Immunisation Coalition website. On 22 January 2019, I again contacted Kim Sampson at the Immunisation Coalition, requesting disclosure of potential conflicts of interest of members, but in a letter dated 29 January 2019 was advised by Mr Sampson that “…For privacy reasons you will understand that this information is not made public – which is in accordance with both legal and best practice governance for most organisations”. Members of the Immunisation Coalition are in a position to influence Australian government vaccination policy, it is a serious matter that their potential conflicts of interest are not being disclosed. I am pursuing further the matter of conflicts of interest in vaccination policy.

Ignorant and ill-informed diatribe against ‘anti-vaxxers’ – Lawrence Mooney on Triple M radio station, Sydney, Australia

By Elizabeth Hart
Please see below a transcript of a recent segment on Sydney radio station Triple M discussing ‘anti-vaxxers’, including comedian Lawrence Mooney’s public boast of wanting to beat an ‘anti-vaxxer’…  
I wonder if this radio segment was orchestrated by any coercive vaccination lobby groups?
This is an example of the abysmal quality of media discussion on coercive taxpayer-funded vaccination policy in Australia, i.e. dominated by ignorant and ill-informed bigots and bullies, who I suspect would be very hard-pressed to name all the vaccine products and revaccinations on the National Immunisation Program Schedule: 
It’s very unlikely these people would have had all the vaccinations and revaccinations on the schedule themselves. (And no Mr Mooney you’re wrong, smallpox and tuberculosis vaccinations are not on the current schedule…) 
Similarly, I suspect these people are clueless about the emerging problems with vaccines, e.g. pertussis/whooping cough, measles, mumps, HPV etc. Meanwhile, informed citizens seeking transparency and accountability for taxpayer-funded vaccination policy, which is awash with conflicts of interest in the vaccination bureaucracy, are marginalised and even censored. In regards to conflicts of interest in vaccination policy, see my presentation Big Pharma’s hijacking of ‘over’-vaccination policy – Conflicts of interest and lack of transparency and accountability  A transcript of my presentation is accessible via this link:  and includes reference to the Murdoch media group’s influence on coercive taxpayer-funded vaccination policy in Australia.
It’s notable that Lawrence Mooney brags he wanted to beat an ‘anti-vaxxer’ after his daughter “got whooping cough from a kindergarten”. Does Lawrence Mooney have any idea about the emerging problems with pertussis/whooping cough vaccines, of which children now get six doses, plus pressure to have this vaccine throughout life? (Consider for example the comments by caller Kelly in the transcript below, e.g. “Like my children are vaccinated, and they actually got whooping cough”.)  
Triple M host Lawrence Mooney wants to beat an anti vaxxer after his vaccinated child caught whooping cough
Is Lawrence Mooney aware of the aluminium adjuvant in the pertussis multi-component vaccines, and other vaccines, i.e. Hep b, pneumococcal 13, HPV, meningococcal B, and the concerns about the unknown cumulative consequences of repeated revaccination throughout life with aluminium-adjuvanted vaccines?  I suspect he and his cronies would not have a clue… But Lawrence Mooney feels confident to deride other citizens’ concerns about the ever-increasing number of lucrative vaccine products and revaccinations, and gloat about wanting to beat an ‘anti-vaxxer’…
Read the transcript below and consider this is what passes for public discussion on coercive taxpayer-funded vaccination policy in Australia, no dissenting views allowed:
Lawrence Mooney and others, ‘Can of Worms’ segment on the Triple M radio station, Sydney, Australia on Tuesday 12 February 2019
Transcript prepared by Elizabeth Hart from an audio recording (apologies if any errors). 

This transcript is relevant to coercive taxpayer-funded vaccination policy in Australia, particularly the No Jab, No Pay and No Jab, No Play laws lobbied for by the Murdoch media group (now known as News Corp), and Friends of Science in Medicine (FSM) and SAVN. (FSM and SAVN had a privileged position to influence the Senate Hearing on the No Jab, No Pay bill in November 2015.)
Lawrence Mooney: This is a perennial one, and the can of worms this morning is: Should kids be allowed to go to school if they aren’t vaccinated? Ah, this is off the back of your little bloke Henry.
Chris Page (‘Pagey’): Yes..
Lawrence Mooney: …facing the needle yesterday Pagey.
Chris Page (‘Pagey’): …he got three needles yesterday, which obviously he loved…
Lawrence Mooney: That’s a big one.
Chris Page (‘Pagey’): I want to thank my wife so much, every time he goes for his injections she makes me hold him down, while people prick him, while she goes and stands on the other side of the room, and turns around so she can’t even see it.
Lawrence Mooney: She faces the wall…
Chris Page (‘Pagey’): …faces the wall, so after the needles he goes “Mumma, Mumma!” and wants to go to Mumma, won’t look at me for the rest of the day…
Woman: Yes, he thinks you’ve stabbed him.
Chris Page (‘Pagey’): He thinks I did it, thanks…
Lawrence Mooney: But eh, (laughter) he will come to understand that he’s been inoculated against things like smallpox, tuberculosis…
Chris Page (‘Pagey’): …measles…
Lawrence Mooney: Eh, polio, and a whole lot of other things, preventable diseases. And I think that we’re all, well a lot of us, are accepting that vaccinations are good. Your kids vaccinated?
Woman: We’re all vaccinated…
Man: …yep, all vaccinated…
Woman: …you don’t get your fees at day care if, in the day care we’re at, you don’t get your fees if they’re not vaccinated, so…
Lawrence Mooney: Well Mel is a woman, the President of the Australian Vaccination Risks Network, AVN, she joins us, Mel, tell us what your stance on vaccination is please?
Meryl: I am certainly opposed to any form of mandatory vaccination, because vaccines like all medical procedures carry with them a real risk of either long-term disability or death. So, if you are going to be saying that someone has to take that risk, that’s wrong. What we are simply saying is that vaccination, like every medical procedure, needs to be completely an informed choice, and no pressure, no coercion, no financial penalty should ever be applied to it.
Lawrence Mooney: So Mel’s obviously against banning kids from school if they aren’t vaccinated. It is ‘Can of Worms’, we’ve opened it today. Should kids be allowed to go to school if they aren’t vaccinated? I am no, they should not be allowed. My daughter Maggie got whooping cough from a kindergarten, and I just wanted to go, I wanted to go a little bit Liam Neeson on anti-vaxxers, I wanted to go and find an anti-vaxxer (woman’s laughter) and beat them…some bastard anti-vaxxer (laughter). So…
Woman: It is a bit sad, especially when you’ve got newborn babies…I know when I had my little newborn baby, and you would be petrified of… Yes, it is your own choice and I do believe that in Australia you should have the freedom to do what you want, however, if you’ve got a newborn bubby and you take them into, down the beach for example, you go past an anti-vaxxer, that’s potentially threatening the life of your new baby, and that’s something that I think that…what are you laughing at, what on earth could be funny…?!
Lawrence Mooney: When you walk past an anti-vaxxer, like they have to wear a sign…(laughter)…’anti-vaxxer!’, get off the beach anti-vaxxer! (laughter).  
Man: Give us a call, ‘Can of Worms’, 133353, simple as that, should kids be allowed to go to school if they haven’t been vaccinated?  Love to hear from you, plenty of calls already…
Man: Quick one from Alex in Northmead, Alex, what do you think?
Alex: No, I think kids should be excluded from going to school if they’re not vaccinated. I completely, you know, respect the right of mum and dad not to vax, to give them their kids the vaccines, but the majority of people do. So like, you know, just a little bit of common sense.
Man: Thanks for the call Alex.
Lawrence Mooney: It’s herd immunity that we’re after, everyone’s vaccinated, you kill off the disease.
Man: We’ll take some more calls, 133353 and the ‘Can of Worms’, should unvaccinated kids be allowed to go to school?
Triple M advertisement: Gus Worland, Jess Eva, Chris Page and Lawrence Mooney…Triple M…Go on then…I’m not about to open your can of worms
Man: On topic today, a lot of calls coming through.
Lawrence Mooney: Should your kid be allowed to go to school if they aren’t vaccinated. I’m an easygoing kind of a guy, I’m live and let live, but eh, I tell you what, if you haven’t vaccinated your child, start home-schooling. Donna from Engadine, what do you reckon?
Donna: Look, it is a tricky, I’m lucky that my children never had issues, but you’re punishing the children, by not allowing them to come to school, by actions of their parents, and that’s where it’s difficult…
Lawrence Mooney: Donna…
Donna: But I can understand people’s opinions.
Lawrence Mooney: Are you part of herd immunity, are your children vaccinated?
Donna: Yes, definitely, yes they are, and so am I.
Man: Good on you Donna, thank you.
Woman: Could they have a school for children that aren’t vaccinated, just one…
Man: Yeah, it’s hive of disease…
Lawrence Mooney: …it’s called Byron Bay High School (laughter).
Man: Shane in Sutherland, what do you think?
Shane: G’day guys, long-time caller, first time listener, um…no, I don’t think so. I mean, I’m vaccinated, I don’t have kids, but you’re putting all other kids at risk and I don’t think that’s fair. But I also find it strange that they won’t vaccinate their children, but they’ll take Fido down to the vet to make sure that’s vaccinated.
Man: Mmmm, interesting one…thank you Shane. Let’s go to Kelly in Windsor, g’day Kelly.
Kelly: Eh yes, I would um, I would say they can’t go to school, um due to the protection of the health of the children. Like my children are vaccinated, and they actually got whooping cough, and I had a six month old baby at the time, and luckily she didn’t get it because they said because I was breast-feeding, you know, she was covered…but very scary…
Lawrence Mooney: Oh a little baby with whooping cough, you’ve never seen a more painful, horrible sight, terrible. Well that looks like it’s about 100 percent of callers.
Man: There’s just so many smart people out there saying that vaccination is right, so why would I question that? Because so many professionals, so many doctors say that’s the right thing to do. Surely at the end of the day, even though it may not be 100 percent, that’s the way to go.
Woman: I think when you’re in the anti-vaccine circles though, a lot of people think that the medical professionals are in this big pharmaceutical conspiracy, trying to extract millions…
Lawrence Mooney: They’re conspiracy theorists…
Woman: Yeah… And, but in actual fact you’re just trying to say…the Triple M online poll so far says 97 percent of Triple M listeners say, no, they shouldn’t be allowed.
Man: That’s right…comprehensive…
Lawrence Mooney: Yeah, which means no anti-vaxxers listen to us at all…(laughter)… Where are they? Triple J, ugh…(laughter)…
The views expressed in this transcript of Lawrence Mooney and others are of public interest in regards to the suppression of citizens’ serious discussion about coercive taxpayer-funded vaccination policy in Australia. 
While it seems reasonable to desire ‘magic bullets’ that will prevent disease, there are problems emerging with vaccine products now, and these must be addressed, not covered up. 
We must also have examination of the ever-increasing number of lucrative vaccine products and revaccinations being added to the taxpayer-funded schedule, members of the committees and groups promoting these vaccine products are often conflicted by their associations with vaccine manufacturers. There is a serious lack of transparency and accountability for taxpayer-funded vaccination policy.
Please circulate to others for information.
Elizabeth Hart

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